tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post318100254328937687..comments2023-10-18T10:36:01.631-05:00Comments on 1WineDude :: Serious wine talk for the not-so-serious drinker!: The Trouble With Wine Ratings (an Introduction to the 89 Project)Joe Robertshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12302860568125840279noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-47308810653722841462008-08-05T12:44:00.000-05:002008-08-05T12:44:00.000-05:00Hi,I'm Alisha from Wowzio, and I'm excited to tell...Hi,<BR/><BR/>I'm Alisha from Wowzio, and I'm excited to tell you about our new widget platform that helps bloggers increase readership and create more engaged users. <BR/>I wanted to reach out to you to ask for your feedback on these widgets (feel free to also install them on your blog, if you feel they are a good fit). <BR/>You can check out widgets customized for your blog here: <BR/><A HREF="http://www.wowzio.com/widgets/seewidgets?ids=15251&r=c05" REL="nofollow">Wowzio Widgets for your blog</A><BR/><BR/>I'm sorry for leaving this message via a comment, it's not at all our intent to spam you ( which is why i'm leaving this comment on an older post and you can always remove this comment ). <BR/>Again, we would love to hear your feedback.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Alisha Wright<BR/>alisha.wright1@gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-242562827932935602008-08-05T09:16:00.000-05:002008-08-05T09:16:00.000-05:00First, let me say, I don't subscribe to any po...First, let me say, I don't subscribe to any point scale for wine. It makes no more sense to me then ranking works of art on a point scale. Still, wine is a consumable and there are people who are paid to give consumers guidance in this area. As Steve said in one of his comments in the discussion based on his reaction to this post: "We can deplore our culture’s short attention span (and I do) and regret its reliance on symbols (which I do), but there it is..."<BR/><BR/>I guess the problem that we all have with the 100 point system is it perpetuates the notion that wine can be graded to this degree and that if you know nothing about wine and are faced with the burden of choosing between wines A,B, and C, your selection of wine B with a score of 92 over A and C, with scores of 90 and 91 respectively, will guarantee that you are choosing the "best" wine which we know is a load of crap.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, debating wine rating methods can be sort of like debating left-brain vs. right-brain... I can imagine that faced with the task of distinguishing quality differences between 100s or 1000s of wines, most professional wine reviewers are going to resort to quantifying that somehow. The unfortunate side effect of this is that their quantifications affect the entire wine commerce system, from pricing to demand and back again.<BR/><BR/>That's why I think the 89 Point Project is a great idea and not "ridiculous" at all! The average consumer might be passing up some great wines (at outstanding values I might add) just because they are afraid of dipping their toe in the <90 pool. <BR/><BR/>Cheers!Taster Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02908229777246053650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-60030280430047823232008-08-04T07:53:00.000-05:002008-08-04T07:53:00.000-05:00Thanks all! Great, great discussion going on here...Thanks all! Great, great discussion going on here!!<BR/><BR/>One thing that is totally clear is that the 100 point system is totally unclear ;-)Joe Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302860568125840279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-75177923995053544822008-08-03T19:03:00.000-05:002008-08-03T19:03:00.000-05:00Hi WineDude! At the risk of you taking this the w...Hi WineDude! At the risk of you taking this the wrong way, I give your blog post a solid one hundred!<BR/><BR/>One thing I always wonder when reading the leading wine porn magazines (hey, I mean it in a nice way), is whether a 90 for a Merlot, for instance, does that mean a 90 compared to other Merlots or a 90 compared to every wine ever made? That may sound like word-splitting semantics to you, but I think that makes a big difference!Douglas Trapassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348522207945522495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-57951226998725772672008-08-03T14:00:00.000-05:002008-08-03T14:00:00.000-05:00"a system that provides for flexibility in scores,..."a system that provides for flexibility in scores, if applied by the same taster without prejudice,"<BR/><BR/>Interesting quote from the Wine Advocate. It implies that the Advocate uses a "system". A "system" would be a methodology that when applied allows one to score attributes of a wine and then, after doing so, add up the score to see where it lands. Tasting a wine and then writing down a number from 75 to 100 based on an overall impression of how you are feeling about the wine at that time, is not a system; rather it is a whim. And were it actually a system with rules and methology, it would not prevent prejudice if it was applied by tasting wines in the cellar of the producer or with the label of the producer showing, or both. When there is neither a methodology nor an absence of prejudice, but there is an overt attempt to convince others that there is...it's called deception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-82338105559042128102008-08-01T11:04:00.000-05:002008-08-01T11:04:00.000-05:00Excellent points made by both Dude and Nick - in a...Excellent points made by both Dude and Nick - in a blog I wrote just this week I liken the gulf between an 89 and 90 score to the old New Yorker cover where NYC takes up half the picture, and the rest of the world looking west just doesn't really matter. 90 would be the city and an 89 would likely be in the pacific ocean, far, far away...<BR/><A HREF="http://blog.augustbriggswines.com/blog/wine-100-point-system" REL="nofollow">90th Point blog</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-836834983159060886.post-3505894552274698272008-07-31T23:46:00.000-05:002008-07-31T23:46:00.000-05:00I think the biggest problem with the 100 point sys...I think the biggest problem with the 100 point system is that it doesn't account for value. It's like each wine is judged on it's own irrespective of price. If wine A gets a 90 and costs 60 bucks, and wine B gets a 95 and only costs 10 bucks, are we really supposed to believe that wine B is hands down better? Then why would anyone ever buy wine A? <BR/><BR/>It seems as if people who use this scale are judging wine A versus other wines in that price range, but do they say that openly? No. And what's the point of only judging wines in the same price range against each other? I feel like someone knowledgeable about wines should be able to judge different prices against each other, so they could really tell you which wines were undervalued. So they might actually say that a wine that costs 15 bucks is better than a wine that costs 20. Isn't that what everyone wants from a wine recommendation? But the 100 point system isn't even designed to accomplish that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com